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Dear all, Peng An,
I enjoyed your sharing and mutual discussions. Yeah, knowing a person was quite different from knowing a topic. Knowing a person was both difficult and easy. Mutual trust and willingness to risk vulnerability might be required before we could engage in mutual knowing...
由 草戊尚土 於 2008年12月14日 下午 10:44 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
2008年12月14日 星期日
[和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部] 在 三年讀經默想與題目 (草戊尚土) 081204 上的新意見。
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Dear all, Peng An,
It seemed that all three of you would agree on a watering down interpretation on the interest-generation loan.
I just wanted to remind you that in the Bible, there were many similar very radical and extreme descriptions, such as in Mt 5:29-30. Some would try to use cultural background to historicalize or localize the description. Some would try to limit the application of these descriptions to some special groups of people, some would try to spiritualize them.
As for the high interest usury, you might want to check the following urls,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury
http://www.bible-topics.com/Usury-or-Interest.html
The Nehemiah case might be a relevant one. (Nehemiah 5:6-13)
由 草戊尚土 於 2008年12月14日 下午 10:39 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
Dear all, Peng An,
It seemed that all three of you would agree on a watering down interpretation on the interest-generation loan.
I just wanted to remind you that in the Bible, there were many similar very radical and extreme descriptions, such as in Mt 5:29-30. Some would try to use cultural background to historicalize or localize the description. Some would try to limit the application of these descriptions to some special groups of people, some would try to spiritualize them.
As for the high interest usury, you might want to check the following urls,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury
http://www.bible-topics.com/Usury-or-Interest.html
The Nehemiah case might be a relevant one. (Nehemiah 5:6-13)
由 草戊尚土 於 2008年12月14日 下午 10:39 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
[和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部] 在 三年讀經默想與題目 (草戊尚土) 081203 上的新意見。
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Dear all, Peng An,
First of all, we might need to speculate what was the theological significance of Amalek people. Yahweh clearly spelled out the role and function of the Amalek, who were against Israelite when they were delievered from the slavery land of Egpyt into the freedom of the promised land. So Amalek represented all forces that would try to resist and deter the salvation grace of God toward His people. God would like his redeemed people to conquer and to exterminate all those powers that would resist and deter God's salvation process in our lives. Though those antagonist powers might bring us some benefits or enjoyments, like those fatty sheep to King Saul. We should not be enticed by them and try to keep some traces of them in our lives.
由 草戊尚土 於 2008年12月14日 下午 10:15 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
Dear all, Peng An,
First of all, we might need to speculate what was the theological significance of Amalek people. Yahweh clearly spelled out the role and function of the Amalek, who were against Israelite when they were delievered from the slavery land of Egpyt into the freedom of the promised land. So Amalek represented all forces that would try to resist and deter the salvation grace of God toward His people. God would like his redeemed people to conquer and to exterminate all those powers that would resist and deter God's salvation process in our lives. Though those antagonist powers might bring us some benefits or enjoyments, like those fatty sheep to King Saul. We should not be enticed by them and try to keep some traces of them in our lives.
由 草戊尚土 於 2008年12月14日 下午 10:15 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
[和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部] 在 三年讀經默想與題目 (草戊尚土) 081202 上的新意見。
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Dear All, Peng An,
I missed JBC, how are you doing?
Most of the theologians would agree that the meaning of perfect should not be interpreted as in moral sense, but in relational sense. Most of the theologians would also emphasize the perfect according to human measure. Such as a full cup is full of water up to its brim, yet a full sea is a immense fullness. Though both are full, but one is to the measure of a cup (humanity), another is to the immensity of an ocean (divinity). Just to share some of my theological readings with you, for your reference....
由 草戊尚土 於 2008年12月14日 下午 10:06 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
Dear All, Peng An,
I missed JBC, how are you doing?
Most of the theologians would agree that the meaning of perfect should not be interpreted as in moral sense, but in relational sense. Most of the theologians would also emphasize the perfect according to human measure. Such as a full cup is full of water up to its brim, yet a full sea is a immense fullness. Though both are full, but one is to the measure of a cup (humanity), another is to the immensity of an ocean (divinity). Just to share some of my theological readings with you, for your reference....
由 草戊尚土 於 2008年12月14日 下午 10:06 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
[和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部] 在 三年讀經默想與題目 (草戊尚土) 081201 上的新意見。
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Dear all, Peng An,
About leaving his coffin in Egypt, I thought of President Chiang KaiSek, who also left his coffin in Taiwan, wihtout burial under the ground. As a leader of a group which was kept as slave in a foreign land, with a promise from God that God would deliever them from slavery into freedom some generations later. Joseph revealed his faith and trust in the promise of God by ordering his coffin to stay above the ground in Egypt, as a reminder and encouragement to all the Israelite people to keep on their faith in God's promise of deliverance... Such is the beauty of a strong faith, and a great leader who would do what he could to encourage his followers to keep a strong faith in God's promise.
由 草戊尚土 於 2008年12月14日 下午 9:50 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
Dear all, Peng An,
About leaving his coffin in Egypt, I thought of President Chiang KaiSek, who also left his coffin in Taiwan, wihtout burial under the ground. As a leader of a group which was kept as slave in a foreign land, with a promise from God that God would deliever them from slavery into freedom some generations later. Joseph revealed his faith and trust in the promise of God by ordering his coffin to stay above the ground in Egypt, as a reminder and encouragement to all the Israelite people to keep on their faith in God's promise of deliverance... Such is the beauty of a strong faith, and a great leader who would do what he could to encourage his followers to keep a strong faith in God's promise.
由 草戊尚土 於 2008年12月14日 下午 9:50 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
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草戊尚土 牧師，平安：
不公不義、背叛誓約、愚昧無知、離棄天父、飽暖行淫、不敬不信、事奉別神。
我想當人有的自由意識之後，他的所作所為都有可能會偏離了上帝的旨意，當他踏出錯誤的第一步，就如今天曾牧師在講道時所說的，這一小步有可能會引發蝴蝶效益的擴大，讓他離正道越來越遠，也邁向了滅亡的道路。
但願主能看守我的心思意念，當我有一點走離您的路時，求您幫助我，指引我，帶領我，讓我能再次跟隨您，不要任憑我自己任意而行，走偏了道路而看不到您，讓您的話語做我路上的光，腳前的燈，疲乏時賜能力給我，軟弱時加力量給我，讓我從新得力，奔跑卻不困倦，行走卻不疲乏。
卯同學 敬上
由 卯同學 於 2008年12月14日 下午 7:26 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
草戊尚土 牧師，平安：
不公不義、背叛誓約、愚昧無知、離棄天父、飽暖行淫、不敬不信、事奉別神。
我想當人有的自由意識之後，他的所作所為都有可能會偏離了上帝的旨意，當他踏出錯誤的第一步，就如今天曾牧師在講道時所說的，這一小步有可能會引發蝴蝶效益的擴大，讓他離正道越來越遠，也邁向了滅亡的道路。
但願主能看守我的心思意念，當我有一點走離您的路時，求您幫助我，指引我，帶領我，讓我能再次跟隨您，不要任憑我自己任意而行，走偏了道路而看不到您，讓您的話語做我路上的光，腳前的燈，疲乏時賜能力給我，軟弱時加力量給我，讓我從新得力，奔跑卻不困倦，行走卻不疲乏。
卯同學 敬上
由 卯同學 於 2008年12月14日 下午 7:26 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
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不行公義誠實、指著真神立假誓、指著假神立真誓、不願上帝的軛在他們身上、崇奉偽神行姦淫、行事詭詐、有耳不聽有眼不看、行惡不懼怕不戰兢、不為人伸冤、不為孤兒伸冤、先知祭司偽言欺民。
即使，有這麼多的惡，但神仍說『你們要上他葡萄園的牆，施行毀壞。但不可毀壞淨盡，只可除掉他的枝子，因遵不屬耶和華。』還說『耶和華說：就是到那時，我也不將你們毀滅淨盡。』每每看見神對以色列人的愛，就會自問，神都愛到這種地步了，我又怎能對神說『對這個人，我放棄了。』很難，但是神讓不可能的變為可能。
由 yuze 於 2008年12月14日 上午 6:16 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
不行公義誠實、指著真神立假誓、指著假神立真誓、不願上帝的軛在他們身上、崇奉偽神行姦淫、行事詭詐、有耳不聽有眼不看、行惡不懼怕不戰兢、不為人伸冤、不為孤兒伸冤、先知祭司偽言欺民。
即使，有這麼多的惡，但神仍說『你們要上他葡萄園的牆，施行毀壞。但不可毀壞淨盡，只可除掉他的枝子，因遵不屬耶和華。』還說『耶和華說：就是到那時，我也不將你們毀滅淨盡。』每每看見神對以色列人的愛，就會自問，神都愛到這種地步了，我又怎能對神說『對這個人，我放棄了。』很難，但是神讓不可能的變為可能。
由 yuze 於 2008年12月14日 上午 6:16 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
[和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部] 在 三年讀經默想與題目 (草戊尚土) 081211 上的新意見。
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大衛說～～
我的嘴唇不出詭詐。
我立志叫我口中沒有過失。
我藉著你嘴唇的言語，謹守，不行強暴人的路。
我的腳踏定了你的路徑。
我是投靠耶和華的人。
欺壓他的人～～
心被脂油包裹。
用口說驕傲的話。
圍困無辜人，要將人推倒在地。
如獅子抓食、蹲伏在暗處。
大衛在言語上守潔，也以神的話為根基謹守。而面對受攻擊的事，他尋求神的拯救，而非自己處心積慮地想辦法報復這些人。
反而攻擊他的人，在言語上不自潔，口說驕傲話攻擊人，而且想盡辦法欺壓人，尋索無辜人的性命。
對於大衛在言語上的謹守，心有戚戚焉！耶和華神在我們當中，我們所言、所行，祂都看見、也都斷定、也都報應。而我所遭遇的，就像牧師主日所說的「真的要說，就找上帝說。」真的！～～上帝都在聽。
由 yuze 於 2008年12月14日 上午 5:57 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
大衛說～～
我的嘴唇不出詭詐。
我立志叫我口中沒有過失。
我藉著你嘴唇的言語，謹守，不行強暴人的路。
我的腳踏定了你的路徑。
我是投靠耶和華的人。
欺壓他的人～～
心被脂油包裹。
用口說驕傲的話。
圍困無辜人，要將人推倒在地。
如獅子抓食、蹲伏在暗處。
大衛在言語上守潔，也以神的話為根基謹守。而面對受攻擊的事，他尋求神的拯救，而非自己處心積慮地想辦法報復這些人。
反而攻擊他的人，在言語上不自潔，口說驕傲話攻擊人，而且想盡辦法欺壓人，尋索無辜人的性命。
對於大衛在言語上的謹守，心有戚戚焉！耶和華神在我們當中，我們所言、所行，祂都看見、也都斷定、也都報應。而我所遭遇的，就像牧師主日所說的「真的要說，就找上帝說。」真的！～～上帝都在聽。
由 yuze 於 2008年12月14日 上午 5:57 張貼在 和平教會 草戊尚土靈修俱樂部
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